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Postby Peter70 » 23 Jun 2005, 15:43

So I've been using a TS dvorak for a few weeks. I'm making some progress, but it's very very slow. It's due to a combination of learning dvorak and learning to type on a surface without any tactile feedback. My qwerty touch typing is around 50wpm and my dvorak TS is MAX 15. It started lower so this is already progress. I've been wanting to find somebody interested in trading their qwerty for my dvorak TS but I also realize that it could just be typing on the TS that's slowing my down. And the fact that I am still on occasion forced to use QWERTY keyboards. I think that maybe dvorak is really the best layout for this particular kind of keyboard since it minimizes jumping around with your fingers outside the home row.

If it weren't for the gestures, I'd probably just go back to using a regular keyboard, but I'm already addicted to having all that at my fingertips. I'm struggling with whether I should just sell my TS and get a kinesis contoured or even a regular laptop-style, shallow key keyboard combined with an igesture pad. Problem is, I love this technology! Very addictive, despite the difficulties I'm having.

Don't know why I'm posting this. Suppose I'd like to hear some thoughts on all this since I'm sure many of you have been through the same thing.

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Postby nomaded » 24 Jun 2005, 01:16

I would also suggest turning on some kind of audio feed back. I found it very helpful getting used to the slightly different key layout when I first got my MacNTouch (from using my old TouchStream Stealth).

You can run some 3rd party software for Windows, and OSX has it builtin (under Universal Access).
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Postby VaderPi » 30 Jun 2005, 17:44

I waited until I was very proficient with my QWERTY TouchStream before I decided to learn DVORAK. It has been difficult, but I get better everyday.

Getting used to the QWERTY TouchStream was difficult enough. I agree with previous posts that it is probably a bad idea. There were also posts in the old forum that gave the same advice. That is why I bought a QWERTY TouchStream. The plan was to buy a DVORAK model later, but we all know why that won't happen. :)
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Postby drew » 01 Jul 2005, 05:05

Thought I should I should weigh in here because I have had a different experience. I went cold turkey dvorak on my qwerty TS.
I am proficient typist but have never taken a class or trained other than use while learning qwerty. I used the same method learning dvorak on the TS it took me about 6 months to get up to my qwerty speed using dvorak on my TS.
I have to say that typing speed is not incredibly important to my job so I was able to take my time.
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Postby synemitchell » 03 Jul 2005, 21:08

Hi Peter,

Glad the Querty TS made it there safe and sound. I'm loving your old Dvorak. I'm thrilled since I'd promised myself a TS when I finished my latest novel and after dutifully waiting until it was done--FW was gone. Ebay and a bulliten board trade, and I finally have the keyboard of my dreams. :>

When I first started on the touchstream (and now, sometimes when I'm tired), I typed as hard as on my old keyboard, which, since the TS has no give, caused pain. I'm now practicing a feather light touch and that has helped measurably.

When I'm typing, I tend to float my arms from the shoulder, using the touchpads only as a kenesthetic reference, not a support. I'm also pretty strict about proper ergonomics and posture. I also rest my hands on the keyboard when not typing (all five fingers down)

I'm going to go against the tide and say that I think switching to Dvorak and the TS at the same time works well. At least for me. My brain seems to have preserved the Qwerty patterns for buttoned keyboards and created a new neural file for flat keyboards.

For a while I had two keyboards attached to my computer, the TS to learn on and a regular one for when I had to type fast. Since I went cold turkey on the TS, I'm making faster progress with my Dvorak.

The other thing I would reccemend for anyone, whether switching to a TS, Dvorak, or both is a good typing program. I use Ten Thumbs http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com/ It's cheap, has native Dvorak and Qwerty tutorials, and the Viking graphics make me smile. (a nifty nuro-science trick, practice right before bed, you'll wake up better at it, due to the brain's reorganizing info as you sleep.)

I never formally learned Qwerty, so tended to look at the board even for my fastest typing, which given the large overhead of visual processing in the brain, slowed things down. I'm hopeful that the discipline of formally learning touch typing, combined with the efficiency of Dvorak, will eventually make me faster than I was before--and with whifty gestures!

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